ASCL.net

Astrophysics Source Code Library

Making codes discoverable since 1999

Discussion of ADS stuff

Banter, questions, and polite arguments over the best programming language
User avatar
owlice
Guardian of the Codes
Posts: 1078
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:18 pm
Location: Washington, DC

Discussion of ADS stuff

Postby owlice » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:52 pm

Perhaps a thread on which to continue conversation started on Twitter.

Alberto's discussion thread below, which covers most of discussion so far; I'll clean it up as needed.
Code-seeking owl at your service

User avatar
owlice
Guardian of the Codes
Posts: 1078
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:18 pm
Location: Washington, DC

Re: Citations

Postby owlice » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:34 pm

Whole thread

Dan F-M ‏@exoplaneteer Mar 4
What's the best way to cite a blog post in an astronomy paper? Is there anything I can do to make my blog more citable?

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick Mar 4
@exoplaneteer For the LSST DM tech blog I'm thinking of giving each post a DOI. If you figure a sweet workflow I'd love to see it

August Muench ‏@augustmuench Mar 4
@jonathansick @exoplaneteer good idea, but a DOI assumes persistence of some sort -- figure that out bc people will ask.

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick Mar 4
@augustmuench @exoplaneteer Would cross-publishing blog posts to arXiv be crazy?

August Muench ‏@augustmuench Mar 4
@jonathansick @exoplaneteer I'd say not crazy, but arXiv might reject given their increasingly heavy handed moderation.

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick Mar 4
@augustmuench @exoplaneteer ok, we def need a Journal of Blog Posts then cc @GeertHub @arfon

August Muench ‏@augustmuench Mar 4
@jonathansick @exoplaneteer @GeertHub @arfon whatever it is pls dont let it be pdfs hanging off a URL bc holy sh!tballs that would suck.

Douglas Burke ‏@doug_burke Mar 4
@augustmuench @jonathansick @exoplaneteer @GeertHub @arfon perhaps of interest: @gbilder's Tweet: https://twitter.com/gbilder/status/5731 ... 27809?s=09

Douglas Burke ‏@doug_burke 19h19 hours ago
@augustmuench @jonathansick @exoplaneteer @GeertHub @arfon also https://thewinnower.com/papers/now-i-am ... ing-worlds

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 19h19 hours ago
@doug_burke @jonathansick @exoplaneteer @GeertHub @arfon right. you need a doi AND a fucking trusted repository. or maybe just a trusted...

Dan F-M ‏@exoplaneteer 19h19 hours ago
@augustmuench @doug_burke @jonathansick @GeertHub @arfon very nice! I ended up going with @ZENODO_ORG (http://dx.doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.15856 …)… acceptable?

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick 17h17 hours ago
@exoplaneteer @augustmuench @doug_burke @GeertHub @arfon Is there a way to have the @ZENODO_ORG doi URL redirect to the blog directly?

Dan F-M ‏@exoplaneteer 17h17 hours ago
@jonathansick that’s not what I want! It’s not a trusted repository! @augustmuench @doug_burke @GeertHub @arfon @ZENODO_ORG

owlice ‏@owlice 17h17 hours ago
@exoplaneteer What do you mean by "trusted repository"? @jonathansick @augustmuench @doug_burke @GeertHub @arfon @ZENODO_ORG

Dan F-M ‏@exoplaneteer 17h17 hours ago
@owlice I mean that I redesign my website every few months & delete posts… @jonathansick @augustmuench @doug_burke

Dan F-M ‏@exoplaneteer 17h17 hours ago
@owlice it was Gus’ wording. @jonathansick @augustmuench @doug_burke

owlice ‏@owlice 17h17 hours ago
@exoplaneteer Ah, OK! Will have to manually track cites to DOI unless in a curated Zenodo community @jonathansick @augustmuench @doug_burke

owlice ‏@owlice 17h17 hours ago
@exoplaneteer @jonathansick @augustmuench @doug_burke IOW, ADS can't track them; something else might, though. Does Google Scholar?

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 17h17 hours ago
@owlice @exoplaneteer @jonathansick @doug_burke ADS could track them but doesn't.

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick 17h17 hours ago
@augustmuench @owlice @exoplaneteer @doug_burke Can one manually submit a Zenodo-hosted resource to ADS?

owlice ‏@owlice 16h16 hours ago
@jonathansick @augustmuench @exoplaneteer @doug_burke I don't know the rules for manual submissions; should ask @aaccomazzi.

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 15h15 hours ago
@owlice @jonathansick @augustmuench @exoplaneteer @doug_burke would really love to come up w/ policy before starting to do these as one-offs

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 15h15 hours ago
@owlice @jonathansick @augustmuench @exoplaneteer @doug_burke in other words: who’s curating this stuff? is it relevant? is it scholarly?

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 15h15 hours ago
@owlice @jonathansick @augustmuench @exoplaneteer @doug_burke would love to hear use cases, see examples, motivations

Jonathan Sick ‏@jonathansick 14h14 hours ago
@aaccomazzi For LSST (unofficially) I want a blog where we discuss our solutions to technical probs; I'd want that to be easily citable.

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 14h14 hours ago
@jonathansick @aaccomazzi of course it can be cited, but will it be indexed? there in lies the rub. i say: if cited then indexed, but ?

Peter Williams ‏@pkgw 14h14 hours ago
@augustmuench @jonathansick @aaccomazzi I totally don't envy ADS for having to figured out how to deal with Zenodo, Dataverses, ...

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 14h14 hours ago
@pkgw @jonathansick @aaccomazzi you know I have an opinion. oh, you want to hear it? Great! ;-) (1/n)

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 14h14 hours ago
@pkgw @jonathansick @aaccomazzi data repo == zenodo/figshare/dataverse. (2/n)

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 14h14 hours ago
@pkgw @jonathansick @aaccomazzi if a data repo is 1:1 match w/article; if the repo is exactly what is in paper then ADS index/link it (3/n)

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 14h14 hours ago
@pkgw @jonathansick @aaccomazzi if an article references a data repo then index/link. this is the "first cite index" principle. (4/5)

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 14h14 hours ago
@pkgw @jonathansick @aaccomazzi since all the data repo's are DOI'd uniquely indexing them should be straightforward after they've been used

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 11h11 hours ago
@augustmuench @pkgw @jonathansick once zenodo record in ADS no further following of links from its reference list, right?

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 11h11 hours ago
@augustmuench @pkgw @jonathansick so essentially start from refereed literature, then do one citation hop and stop

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 11h11 hours ago
@augustmuench @pkgw @jonathansick I could probably live that that arrangement. Now if only the AAS were to allow these DOIs in references...

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 1h1 hour ago
@aaccomazzi @pkgw @jonathansick working on that policy now. should we use a specific JATS tag? Yes, I'm all about the XML.

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 54m54 minutes ago
@augustmuench @pkgw @jonathansick Ugh not sure, I’m not that deep into JATS, but what are we trying to flag for these references?

August Muench ‏@augustmuench 52m52 minutes ago
@aaccomazzi @pkgw @jonathansick only if needed. i'm knee deep in <media> vs <supplemental> tags, so wondered if citations needed tagging 2

Alberto Accomazzi ‏@aaccomazzi 10:07 AM - 6 Mar 2015
@augustmuench @pkgw @jonathansick oh when you get there, you’ll know. Not sure we need to do anything different except for proper @type
Code-seeking owl at your service


Return to “Open discussion and Q&A”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron